Dr Jade Elisabeth | From teaching to celebrating the mind and body through nature

Dr Jade Elisabeth is a Mental health practitioner with a passion for teaching people how to CELEBRATE their body and mind through nature. In 2020 she founded  Jadeite Project which aims to help you celebrate what your mind and body are capable of. Jade talks about the power of moving in nature from an academic point of view as well as an emotional one and I have to say I found it fascinating learning the science behind what this podcast is all about and I hope you will too … 

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Transcript

India Pearson  0:01  
Hello, I'm India and welcome to start a record. The podcast that celebrates moving in nature is the I believe it was a made when we connect movement with nature, not only for our mind and body, but also the environment too. And on this series, I'm speaking to some amazing guests that share that passion, I have their own story to tell. Alright, time to introduce this week's guest. Dr. Jade Elizabeth is a mental health practitioner with a passion for teaching people how to celebrate their body and mind through nature. In 2020, she founded the jadeite project, which aims to help you celebrate what your mind and body are capable of. Jay talks about the power of moving in nature from an academic point of view, as well as an emotional one. And I have to say, I found it fascinating learning the science behind what this podcast is all about. And I hope you will too. Hi, Jade, and welcome to start a red pill podcast. How are you today?

Dr Jade Elizabeth  1:04  
Good. Thank you very well, thanks for inviting me on.

India Pearson  1:08  
Awesome having you. I've been super, super keen to have somebody who comes from a kind of academic standpoint on this subject of moving in nature for a really long time. So I'm really fascinated to get your perspective on, I guess, the theme of this podcast. So yeah, thank you so much for joining me today. So we're gonna start from the beginning. And I'm gonna ask you to look back in your life and kind of tell us how it all began your background, you know, where did your ripple start?

Dr Jade Elizabeth  1:44  
So I guess my background research wise, and academically is psychology. So I got a degree in psychology. So I came out to Liverpool, did my degree in psychology, and then went on and did a master's in investigative and forensic psychology. And then following that I did a PhD in psychology, looking at decision making in critical environments, that was kind of the overarching theme of my research. And so I've kind of left academia in a way, I spent, I think it was about 10 years in total studying psychology in different areas and kind of kind of finishing with the PhD, and went into dabbled in a bit of sports coaching for a little bit. And I'm now currently working as a mental health practitioner in a secondary school. So that's kind of my journey. And then we've been in the middle of that. I've always worked with young people in various different settings. And kind of come back to nature as well. So I think my, in my gap year, I worked for PGL as an activity instructor, so just taking kids out on Adventure courses and stuff like that. So I kind of have a strong academic background, but I've also kind of weaved in my other passions and interests along the way. To help me get to the Jadite project, I guess, which started around two years ago on the concept anyway, came about two years ago.

India Pearson  3:07  
Cool, I'm gonna dive into the Jadite project. It's very soon. But let's go back to your PhD. So you focused on now I'm gonna I'm gonna say this, right? Metacognition? Which is thinking about thinking. And, yeah, can you kind of explain this a little bit more? I don't know if you can in a nutshell.

Dr Jade Elizabeth  3:37  
So you metacognition is our ability to think about our own thinking process. So it's that looking a little bit more in depth into our decisions. And my research looked at a specific factor, which was confidence and accuracy. So when making a decision, how confident are we in that decision? And how does it relate to the accuracy of the decision? I think we have the tendency to be overconfident, which is what my research found, and what a lot of research funds, especially in a critical environment. So the critical environment I looked at was air defence. So it was looking at decision making by air defence operators. So obviously, there's a lot of kind of consequences that come along to making decisions, and it is important that we're accurate on those decisions. But if our confidence isn't aligned to our accuracy, that then kind of impacts future decision making abilities because we might shut off further kind of information seeking processes, or we might jump to conclusions and different areas. So it's quite important that we have that relationship between confidence and accuracy. I looked at different factors relating to that. So whether that be a personality type. We looked at something called decision criticality. So how important that decision was, and the environment that the operators were working in again to see the fact So we looked at interest and we looked at gamers to see how they related because obviously the way that technology is going and the nature of what we're looking at, before it gamers might be kind of a good candidate to look at to see how that they work things out. And they did actually have a bit of relationships that they were better able to judge the accuracy and their confidence on it. They weren't tendency I said everyone was overconfident, but the relationship was a little bit better. So I think for me, it was really interesting to see how aware we are of our thinking processes. Because again, we might make a snap decision or we might not really think about why we're doing certain things, and then again, that the implications that that might have. So having that awareness just brings you, I guess it links into it brings you a bit more present into what you're doing, you mindful of your decision making, which is again, something that I think it's quite important being present and being mindful of your decisions.

India Pearson  5:59  
Yeah. And actually, I just, you know, when he's talking about that I also the same people were overconfident. But I have worked in the last sort of year, two years quite a lot. With women in paddleboarding, SAMHSA relating this back to what I'm doing and, and they have a lack of confidence. They want to go paddleboarding, but their confidence stops them from deciding to do so. Yeah. And I'm wondering if, you know, I guess it's that imposter syndrome thing? Did you explore that area at all, within it in relation to people wanting to pick up, you know, new sports or activities, and the losing the confidence? I know, you said there has been a injection of confidence, which is almost too much. But you must have looked at the lack of confidence to

Dr Jade Elizabeth  6:55  
Yeah, I think that links in so when we did a little bit bit about personality. So it's like a tolerance to ambiguity. So how likely how much information you need to be able to make a decision. So that factors again, into your decision making. So if you need a lot of information, and that helps you feel more confident in an environment where you haven't got that information, you haven't got that confidence, then yeah, you're gonna see like a reduced confidence in your decision making. So there are different areas of that personality. So it may be that in the women that you work with, or certain people and certain kind of demographics, they show different tendencies, which then I guess impact, I think for my demographics, they were either students or navy personnel. So they're kind of queued into, they're the expert in their kind of their field and what they're doing. So even students that didn't have the knowledge, they did show this, this confidence. But again, if you took it out into a different kind of setting, you may have different results and different findings from that. But it is all really interested in especially that impostor syndrome and the feelings behind that and what kind of what impacts on our feelings and on our thinking processes.

India Pearson  8:15  
Yeah, absolutely. And I wonder, do you have you found that there is a difference in the confidence behind our decisions compared to men and women?

Dr Jade Elizabeth  8:26  
And what did it look at it in specifically, but I'd imagine there would be some some difference. And again, depending on the topic that people are talking about in the areas that they feel confident in, there would be a difference.

India Pearson  8:41  
Absolutely, yeah, fascinating stuff. And obviously, you were talking about how it kind of brings you back to feeling present and mindful. And that can really be a positive influence on our decision making. And this is an area that you've obviously gone into, even further you know, you do a lot of mindful walking and you're leading groups, which is all to do with the jadeite project, which you will come on to but yeah, when did you have this sort of light bulb moment that you were connecting feeling present with moving in nature and it was it during your PhD and you obviously thinking about all these decisions that you're doing? Very much like a your world? But yeah, can you please sort of, I guess link the two together for me so you're the the mind for work that you do now and your psychology? Yeah,

Dr Jade Elizabeth  9:43  
I guess there's no natural link. When you when you explain what the background is. But I guess my, the light bulb moment came and the the concept came, I did a walk up Helvellyn a few years ago, and I just took myself there. And I just wanted to get myself out. Like, I've wanted to do the mountain for a while. And so I'm just gonna go. And remember, it was a beautiful day amazing, really hot weather. And I was just kind of really grateful to be able to do it to have, I guess, in a way, I had my own confidence and my own belief that I could do it. And it was such an amazing experience just to go up, everyone's so friendly and chatting along the way. And the views that you get from taken from taking the time to go up there, and you've got the added kind of excitement of doing it on your own and the adventure aspect to it. And I just thought, How do I bought a lot of this feeling, because this feeling is what I want to share with everyone, this, this is amazing. This is how I want everyone to feel. So I kind of did that. And I went away and researched. Because that's what I was going back to. And I thought okay, I'm gonna look into this in a little bit more detail. Why do I feel so good? What is? Where does these feelings come from? How does it impact people? And how do I cultivate it? How do I share it? What can I do for that. So that was kind of the initial starting point was just my own personal journey. And then just wanting to share those feelings that then going into the research and learning more about green exercise and mindful walking, because again, I've got a tendency to be quite competitive, and to want to get to the top as quickly as possible and to push myself but actually just taking the time to slow down, take in the views, watch my breath and kind of take in the moment was a lot more important than how quickly I could get to the top. And that that comes with it as well, that sense of achievement. But actually, what I enjoyed was the whole thing was just being around stopping taking pictures seem I could see. And so that mindful concept that being present was something that I thought, well, that's got to be something that's got to be part of it. So again, just looking at the research and going into a little more little more detail about those feelings and kind of why Yeah, why it was so good. Why it felt so good.

India Pearson  12:12  
Yeah. And we were talking over zoom, so I can see your face right now. And when you were sort of talking about that was your face just lit up with the memory like your smile just beamed. And it is. It's that sudden feeling of of like just feeling alive, I think, isn't it? And yeah, so obviously, you know, you have research this. So can you please explain to me the science behind it, because I understand the feeling, you know, I? I was in Carmel last week, and we were hiking along the southwest coast paths path. And it was just the most amazing feeling that dramatic coastline. That's the fresh breeze, everything and I just felt so good. But why? Why do I feel so good.

Dr Jade Elizabeth  12:59  
I think there's a few different like theories. And I've looked into the theories behind it. So there's like an attention restorative theory. So that is when we're out in nature, we kind of have the brain capacity to kind of focus in nature to have those feelings, we're not in that direct kind of world where we have that constant feed of our attention being drawn away. So whether that's our phone going off, or the laptop, or work or emails, or whatever it may be, we're out, we've got a more capacity to attend to it, it reduces our stress levels, it makes us feel good, it boosts our endorphins, we have that feeling said that feeling of or of amazement. And these all increase our mood make us feel better, they increase our self esteem. So there's kind of that side to it is just our, our brains kind of have a bit of a break from that, that constant need to give attention to something we notice our direction, our attention in a different way. So we see things that we may not have noticed before, we've got the capacity to do it. So I don't know when you've had like a long day and you just need to go for a walk you feel refreshed afterwards. Because it's allowed yourself that just allows your brain to kind of slow down switch switch off a little bit. And so that's kind of one side to it. There's also a Biophilia hypothesis. So that is we have that innate connection to nature. Kind of if we look back in time and the ancestry times and we have been connected to nature, there's so many properties in nature, whether that's medicines or kind of the social aspects of just spending time and being out in nature. So it's a kind of an innate feeling that we have that helps us to connect to nature is it's wired into us essentially. So that's why we have this strong sense of a strong connection with nature. But I think it is, as you said, all those things you say, and it just makes you feel good. It's noticing the importance of those feelings that how you feel afterwards. So you feel better after a walk. So you're going to be kinder to people, you're going to want to connect with people, you've got that social interaction. So like the combination of things kind of feed in that help you just feel good when you're out in nature.

India Pearson  15:25  
Yeah, absolutely. And, and for me, it makes me want to be kinder to the planet. Like I guess one of the biggest kind of influences it's hard for me is, is suddenly I'm like, enjoying the coastline or the sea or whatever. And I'm going, Oh, my goodness, this is so incredible. This is that word has given me so much. I need to kind of look after it as well. Yeah. And yeah, it kind of does. It does amazing things. And thank you for explaining that. Because that is what I've been asking for. Like, why am I feeling? So you've obviously taken this further and, and you wanted to share this experience with other people. So you started the jadeite project, which offers the opportunity to take part in mindful hiking. So how did this idea come about and what what's happened with the jadeite project since you started it.

Dr Jade Elizabeth  16:22  
So you said like it initially was like sourcing that feeling, and finding different ways to do it. And I thought, people go out and walks. And initially, I looked at it from a fitness aspect to it. Because you get a lot of oh, I need to look a certain way to climb a mountain or I need to be fit enough, I don't feel fit enough, that would naturally be the response when people are out, I want to come in and walk on a climbing mountain, but I don't feel fit enough. And it was breaking down the barriers to make it a little bit more accessible to people. It's not about the way that you look or aesthetically that that's not what gets you to the top of a mountain. There's a lot more to it. And I wanted people to take the focus off that into something else, which was that connection with nature was reconnecting with how your body feels at that moment in time. And that mindfulness, we know being more present has a it has a beneficial impact on your mood and how you feel. So it was incorporating that mindful aspect into being outside. So it just seemed like a win win situation. We know being in nature makes us feel good. We know being mindful, and being more present makes us feel good. So combining those and going on a walk where you're focusing on different things. So on the walks that looked at intention setting, so what is it that you want to achieve from this walk? What goals are you working towards, and a massive person on working with metaphors, said the mountain is that mountain metaphor, you're working towards a goal, you're walking up something, there may be obstacles on the way but it's a challenge, but you get there eventually. So it was put in some of the kind of physical aspects with that intention set in looking at different things, areas of meditation. So before the walks are done, we do a short meditation just again, to ground yourself into that present moment really connect with your environment take five minutes just to be still I don't think we spend a lot of time being still and just listening to our bodies and kind of finding what what's going on given ourselves that time for ourselves. There's always something to do or somewhere to be someone to talk to. And it's just let's this is your time. So you have this hour of a walk, and it's just for you. And then when you're on the walk again, tune in into that intention as you go along. It's that you're stepping forward, you're leaving things behind. And then as you're around, you're concentrating on different things, whether that's your breath, just being really aware of your breath, your footsteps, how you walk in, and how you find in it, you need to speed up, slow down. It's all very kind of intuitive to how you're feeling rather than the speed of anything that's going around, or it's kind of just taking it back to basics, I guess. So again, different activities, being mindful. And grounding in terms of the five senses is a really great activity. So five things that you can see four things that you can hear three things that you can smell, two things that you can tap, and then some that you can taste. So again, just bringing your body into that nature environment. So removing the barriers between that environment that you're in and just being connected to nature.

India Pearson  19:57  
What do you what do you get for the taste? When do you get people kind of trying to find some wild garlic and eating? Or is it more like, kind of like there's a what flavours are is in the air? I don't know, I always

Dr Jade Elizabeth  20:08  
encourage a snack on a wall. So there should always be chocolate in your bag. Oh, absolutely. That's just

India Pearson  20:15  
I know, an incredible My favourite thing is, make sure there's a stock of a cup of tea and a piece of cake halfway around. Yeah,

Dr Jade Elizabeth  20:28  
I mean, they're all wild garlic, certain things that can taste them? Sure. I'd love to incorporate that get some forage involved. Do that.

India Pearson  20:38  
And where you know what kind of people you have coming on your walks? And sort of how do they find find us? Or is it? Is it is it do? Do you go to schools or, or groups? Or do they come to you,

Dr Jade Elizabeth  20:53  
so that the minute they've come to me, so I've just run it from Instagram, just to see what the interest is and kind of run it on a fruit, a few groups, which has been really nice. I think, what I didn't anticipate when I was planning, it was the group connection. And I think that's been key. That's kind of been vital, because again, connection, whether it's to nature or to others, we look at isolation and what everyone's gone through in the last few years, it has been very isolating. So just getting an hour predominantly been women on the walk, just sharing how they're feeling sharing any challenges, they've got the feedbacks been really positive in terms of allowing the space to talk about what's going on and to have other people share their experiences. So I know you mentioned that imposter syndrome that came up in one of the walks and it was how other people deal with it. And it's quite nice for other people to hear people in different industries, different ways that different kinds of life, have that shared experience. So the connections really great thing at the end or near the end of a walk, always do a tree hug. So again, that there's always a little bit of apprehension before it if you've not done it, but then giving yourself to it. And that connection has been great. So I'd love to open it up to anyone that's interested, I did it. We had a school inset day, and we focused on wellbeing as part of the inset day. So I did it with the teachers and school staff. We did like a scavenger hunt, and different aspects of being mindful. And it was really positive. Feedback was really great. So any groups that would like to do or could be like there is so much scope, I think to get out and, and be much more mindful in nature.

India Pearson  22:41  
lately. It's in its infancy at the moment, but I can just see it, you know, absolutely blossoming. And I think what is probably the most amazing thing is these people who are coming and going and be meeting other like minded people who are also interested in whether it's an early interest, or they've been doing this for a while, you know, you're gonna meet like minded people, which is kind of that is that is that is that connection to realising, oh, you're like me, you want to do this too. It gives you that extra confidence boost in itself. And yeah, and I loved what you talked about earlier about the metaphors using those metaphors for you know, you'll go up the mountain, and you're, you know, your spirits are rising, and all of that it just sounds amazing. I want to I want to join. So and so yeah, so you are also a you are a mental health practitioner in a school. And you mentioned that you did some work in this in school with the teachers recently, but I also know that you've been doing a lot of work, the students and mental health and green space. So, you know, what have you been doing within the school environment and using the skills and interest that you have? And how does does it affect the kids mental health when they are outdoors and moving in nature.

Dr Jade Elizabeth  24:08  
So I think it's been a really positive, something I was really keen to look into. And I started the job. Because I know I said, I know the benefits of nature and I also know the impact that the last few years have had on young people today. So looking at how to support them mental health and do different things that they may have not tried before, so just providing access to some green space. So we had we've got a little bit of land on school premises and they were just flowerbeds. They were just empty. So we've got some permission to plant some wildflowers and dig up to the soil and first the girls were really apprehensive. And then they started that start with the gloves on and then it was encouraged them just to get their hands dirty and just sit in the soil and they got more connected. They were talking, they wouldn't necessarily know the group the other people in the group. So they'd start talking a little bit more, they planted the wildflowers. And they were just amazing to see the growth of the wildflowers and the growth of the children as well from just being outside. And just developing that a little bit further. So I've started a called the feel good gardening club, named by a people at the school. So that's set up is really recently, just because I wanted to make it more accessible to anyone that did want to join. And the boost in how they're feeling, they come back and just say, Oh, it's the best day ever. And just being having that access to something, even if they're just a minute, they're just weeding, but they just really enjoy being able to access that green space and do things they haven't tried before. I think that's key is providing experiences and learning opportunities that aren't just in the classroom. They are different aspects. And again, with my metaphors, I can bring them in. So we're weed in the plant. So we're getting rid of our negative thoughts. And we're making room for more positive. So there's always an aspect that we can grow and develop. And I was like I had a meeting. So I couldn't do one of the clubs. But I was watching from the distance longingly as someone else kind of took over. And as I walk them back into school, they were just skipping, skipping back into school. And it was just amazing. It just felt good. And it's not just for the people was the staff really engaged in it. And they want to plant new things and do stuff. So again, you're bringing that community aspect, that connection, there's no expectations of it, it's just let's just see, see what happens, let's just go out and see what happens. So just having that avenue for them to explore, she has been really positive. And again, it's quite new, but I'm really excited to see where that can go and where I can develop in the school. Who said I think just the positive impact, it doesn't. Sometimes you don't necessarily have the space to talk about what's going on, but sometimes they just need an activity, something to do. And gardening just provides such a nice activity for them to do.

India Pearson  27:14  
Yeah, oh, I can totally vouch for that. We started a veggie patch in our garden a couple of years ago. And it's definitely a learning process. Not everything works. But when it does work, it's it's great. And last year we did potatoes for the first time and it's this interesting you said about taking gloves off and really feeling the earth and and this this is the last time I got it's one of my favourite activities as I'm going to taste this for dinner I'd go out and there's route around trying to pick up whatever potatoes I had just with my bare hands. And it felt so grounding. And then obviously then you go back and it's that whole process of cooking them and everything and it was just Yeah, it was so good and, and interesting. Your setup about weeding. I think Weeding is one of the most therapeutic activities ever. Yeah, you kind of just get in the zone, don't you? And you're like oh there's another one there's another one and yeah, I love that idea. That metaphor of like detoxing almost garden detoxing your body, your mind. It's Yeah, it's awesome and so so great that your school appreciates how important it is to have someone like you in a position to lead those activities because it's obviously having a really really massive positive effect on those kids. So Okay, a little different subject now. I mean, because this is a personal I just want to have a little chat back camper vans

gonna come to burn. I do and you're doing it up. Is that right? You well.

Dr Jade Elizabeth  28:54  
It's a difficult one. I have a campervan. But I don't have a driving licence. So I'm in the process. Okay, me driving licence to be able to drive a van and do it up. I just didn't expect with the lock downs and the kind of backlog of instructors. It's kind of been a nightmare. Yeah,

India Pearson  29:20  
like my brothers having to wait like eight months or something. It's crazy but equally you've got it there. So one year you will be going out on kind of what what what do you have planned? Where do you plan to go in your campervan?

Dr Jade Elizabeth  29:35  
I'd love to go to Scotland. I haven't done much in Scotland. So I'd love to take it up there and just drive around there and do the

India Pearson  29:44  
NC 500 Yes, we did it. It was amazing. The most incredible views ever felt feels like you've gone so much further than just the top of the UK.

Dr Jade Elizabeth  29:58  
Yeah, yeah. So happy to go anywhere. I'd said if you see me company in the car

India Pearson  30:05  
park. Yeah. What was the kind of for you? What was the reason for wanting to get a camper van? Because I, I do see sort of people that have campers, it's a very much a lifestyle choice, isn't it? And for me, it's about that freedom of just being able to get up and go. And just, you know, wake up in different place every day and seeing what has in store. So yeah, what was your choice for, for wanting to have a camera firm?

Dr Jade Elizabeth  30:31  
Similar, I think I just want it is the freedom that it brings. It's just kind of packing your bags, maybe on a Friday night and just had enough for the weekend and seeing where you end up. I love an adventure. I love going and finding new places. So I just thought it just open things up. And yeah, just having everything my friends actually got a van and she's done. It all converted it herself. Then when she was doing it, I was like, I need that in my life. Like that's, that's something that I want is my own. So yeah, definitely get there. There's little journey that

India Pearson  31:06  
you will appreciate it so much more than anybody you know, across those Highlands? Yeah, you absolutely love it. And obviously, you're going to be taking your van all over. But is there one place that you would love to take your mindful hikes in the world? So one place you're like, You know what I'd like to do when am I mindful hikes bear?

Dr Jade Elizabeth  31:32  
I don't know if it'd be too extreme. But I'd love to go to the Amazon. I'd love to go to South America. And I'd love to trek in. Because I think there'd be a lot of things to see and hear and smell and taste.

India Pearson  31:43  
Oh my goodness, it would be like, it would just be an absolute, a party for your senses. They're like literally,

Dr Jade Elizabeth  31:50  
yeah. So like the adventure side to see in like a real kind of, I don't know if authentics the right word, but something that's, that's just got so much history and just going back. And it seems like a deep connection to nature and the cultures that are around I think that would be really powerful, really inspiring. Just to see how their connection with nature and different things and have that experience. I think that'd be amazing.

India Pearson  32:24  
Yeah, absolutely. It's Have you ever had a sort of adverse effect on because we obviously talked about nature, and I always think about the thing really beautiful and wonderful and really soothing and calming. But, you know, there is another side. And have you ever had a time when, you know, bit like the storm we had at the weekend when he just felt way too overwhelming. And you are like what is happening? I feel really small in this big, big wide world.

Dr Jade Elizabeth  32:53  
I'd say I did. The three peaks not too long, well a few years ago. And that was the weather was horrendous. So it was a mental challenge as well as a physical challenge. And I think we were doing Scafell Pike and it was so windy and so wet, you can't see anything. Can you do question? Why are you doing something? You have those internal thoughts in your head going? Why am I here?

India Pearson  33:19  
I decided coming back into your to your PhD. I have made the decision to do this when I could have made a decision to be in bed. Yeah.

Dr Jade Elizabeth  33:30  
Do question like What are you doing that for? But I mean, ultimately is worth it. But I think having that it fits into that sense of all that power, just knowing that you are quite small in a sense, and there is greater forces, there is a greater connection beyond what we see day to day in life. And I think that's quite powerful to have that I'd say it's a reassurance that you've got those experiences and that you don't take things for granted, and you are obviously safe and things like that. So I think the weather I am a fairweather hiker, I have to say so.

India Pearson  34:12  
I totally get that. Amazing. So this is kind of my final fish question to you, which is a question I asked everybody on this podcast. So looking back at the ripples you've made in your life, what are the biggest lessons that you've learned for keeping your mind and body healthy?

Dr Jade Elizabeth  34:31  
And I'd say it's keep doing the small things keep. Keep being present, keep kind of showing up. The habits that we do that make us feel good. Keep doing those because when maybe when we're not feeling good or we're struggling a little bit, they're the first things to go. So it is to scale it back completely. But still take those steps forward and do what you can do. But the key is to keep going with it.

India Pearson  35:02  
Yeah. Amazing. And if anybody wanted to follow your journey, if they wanted to join one of your JD walks, how can I do so?

Dr Jade Elizabeth  35:15  
So I'm on Instagram. So it's at the jadeite project. So that's where all my information is any walks that are coming up soon as the weather is getting a little bit better. So I'm looking at getting some some new walks going and so they're welcome to everyone and anyone that wants to get involved

India Pearson  35:33  
amazing, amazing and yeah, I'm I'm love following your journey. And I will keep my fingers crossed for you getting that driving licence. You can enjoy a few more adventures and go a little further afield in your campervan. Bia. Thanks so much for talking to me today. Jade. It's been an absolute pleasure having you on Star Trek podcast. No worries. Thank

Dr Jade Elizabeth  35:56  
you. Thanks for having me.

India Pearson  35:59  
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